Hermann the German

Can someone please fire Rob Ryan NOW!!!

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Ryan should have been fired last season that way a push for Wade Philips or Vic Fangio, could have been made. Either one of those would be doing much better than Rob is with the personnel that was acquired this past offseason.

I wouldn't mind Zook either. Not only did he recruit well at Florida Face but he continued to so when he was hired at Illinois. That program put a good share of players in the NFL during Zook's tenure.

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Zook has had a mighty fall since that 2000 Saints Defense.  I'm not against considering him, but I agree with Face's earlier portion of the post.  Let's look for a guy who has a recent 3 year track record in one spot as part of a great staff.  2000 is a far cry from the rules of upcoming 2016 NFL football.  Plus, there were many discussions on this very board regarding John Bunting and the job he did with the front 7 in 2000.  In 2001 Bunting left to be HC at UNC and the defense took a few steps backwards.  That Buck LB position sure was fun as hell though.  You could seemingly just plug a guy in and he'd have 10 sacks.  Charlie Clemons anyone?  Imagine if we'd had Roosevelt Colvin at that spot!

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Its a shame that someone like Rickey Jackson didn't do more in coaching. I know he had his troubles after football, but he was always a beast & motivator on the field. If I remember correctly he did do some coaching under Ditka, but don't quote me on that. I just know we need some type of motivator to coach on this team. RR is not it.

 

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Its a shame that someone like Rickey Jackson didn't do more in coaching. I know he had his troubles after football, but he was always a beast & motivator on the field. If I remember correctly he did do some coaching under Ditka, but don't quote me on that. I just know we need some type of motivator to coach on this team. RR is not it.

 

Can't agree with this one brother.  Most great players are horrible coaches.  Rickey had something inside of him that you can't teach.  His killer attitude, his athleticism, he can't rub that off on others.  Coaching is a much more draining experience than playing.

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Can't agree with this one brother.  Most great players are horrible coaches.  Rickey had something inside of him that you can't teach.  His killer attitude, his athleticism, he can't rub that off on others.  Coaching is a much more draining experience than playing.

This is a concept I'm beginning to understand more and more. There seems to be this prevailing attitude that just because someone is a great or an experienced player that they are going to tutor and train everyone around and under them.

It just isn't the case. I recall people counting Browner as an asset because he was going to be around to help train up the youngsters.

 I also remember a story from the 80s when Dave Wilson arrived as a rookie there was a great deal of animosity between him and Bobby Scott because the bottom line was Wilson was there to take Scott's spot.

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Can't agree with this one brother.  Most great players are horrible coaches.  Rickey had something inside of him that you can't teach.  His killer attitude, his athleticism, he can't rub that off on others.  Coaching is a much more draining experience than playing.

Agreed,you see it more in baseball and basketball than any football,but it's the same. I remember reading a article many years ago about Sparkey Anderson. Anderson is the only manager that's won a WS title in both leagues. Those were the Reds in 75 and 76,and the Det. Tigers in 1984. He said since he was a career bench warmer, he spent most of his time sitting and studying the game. He brought that knowledge to his coaching career later. Phil Jackson is similar. He was a good player,but not a super star on those Knicks teams that won two NBA titles in the early 1970's. He spent most of the time on the bench studying and picking the brain of his HC Red Holzman. 

 

There's an old cliche' that says Those that can, do; those that can't teach. It's pretty accurate  when it comes to the sports profession.

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There's an old cliche' that says Those that can, do; those that can't teach. It's pretty accurate  in most professions. 

So that explains why about 90% of college professors are hardcore liberal's and socialist.  :D 

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So that explains why about 90% of college professors are hardcore liberal's and socialist.  :D 

I don't want to turn this into a political thread,so I'll add a change to the old idiom

 

Those that can do

Those that can't teach

Those that can't do and can't teach become career politicians :)

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I don't want to turn this into a political thread,so I'll add a change to the old idiom

 

Those that can do

Those that can't teach

Those that can't do and can't teach become career politicians :)

:lol::lol::lol:

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This was a very discouraging loss against the Titans.  I really dreaded playing them after the coach being fired and getting Mariotta back. The team had an emotional lift.  We had them on the ropes and then we have a '67 Saints play, where we turn a sure interception into a TD. That gave the Titans life.... and their pass rush took over the game.   We still had a chance to pull it out but had a FG blocked....

As to Ryan and our coaching, Payton is not going to fire anyone during mid season and he should not.... Everyone wants a lb of flesh because of the disappointment but that is not going to make the team any better.

Allen coaches the secondary and I don't think he is the answer. I have never seen a group of DBs with such poor ball skills. There timing and angles are horrendous.  Breaux can't track the ball in the air and Browner holds most plays.  I saw several that they didn't call.

When I watch Byrd play safety he doesn't tackle and seldom makes plays on the ball.  We paid him and got rid of Malcoln Jenkins? Big mistake. Byrd looks like a school girl trying to chase down a runner in the open field.  What a waste of salary cap; he got his money and isn't giving a top effort. The only pass I saw him break up was knocking  the interception out of Lewis's hands. BBB- Byrd-Browner-Busts!

The things that irk me the most are the consistent busted coverages and failure to have the right personnel on the field.  Often our defense does not look set and appears confused. Now that is either stupid players or bad coaching or both.

This defense has sapped any optimism I had for this season. I really thought the defense was improving but after the past two games... We are screwed.   We should still win some more games but aren't a playoff contender.

 

 

 

 

 

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Boris, I agree with every single point you said except one: I would fire Rob Ryan nevertheless just for the fun of it and to send a strong message to the entire coaching staff AND players. Our season is lost so why wait until January...:P

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Boris, I agree with every single point you said except one: I would fire Rob Ryan nevertheless just for the fun of it and to send a strong message to the entire coaching staff AND players. Our season is lost so why wait until January...:P

Hermann, I believe a team is always better off winning as many games as they can, as opposed to losing to get a draft choice, (which can turn out to be a bust or get injured - the NFL ain't the NBA)...  Look at the Panthers last year; they won out, made the playoffs and carried that momentum into this year.  Our young players need to keep improving, and if they are improving, they should be winning or at least competitive.

i don't think firing an assistant coach midseason sends the right message to our team and future coaches and players.   You could let Allen call the defensive plays, but really his secondary is sucking as much as any part of the team.  

The team needs pass rushers, and firing Ryan is not going to change that.   I believe changing horses in midstream would set the team back, unless a coach was a cancer and lost his players, which I don't think is the case with Ryan.

 

 

 

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Boris, I agree with every single point you said except one: I would fire Rob Ryan nevertheless just for the fun of it and to send a strong message to the entire coaching staff AND players. Our season is lost so why wait until January...:P

We were still a great defensive play by Cb Josh Norman away from upsetting the Panthers on the road with Luke McCown as                        our Qb. The season isn't over yet. I do believe Ryan is a goner,but in his defense, he's had to deal with a lot of injuries on that side of the ball. Boris is right,this past Sunday shows how badly we miss Keenan Lewis and KiKaha. 

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Saints defensive coordinator Rob Ryan must go -- and he must go now: Larry Holder

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2015/11/new_orleans_saints_rob_ryan_co.html#incart_big-photo

LANDOVER, Md. -- The New Orleans Saints have never fired an assistant coach during the season under Sean Payton. That has to change during the bye week.

It's time to fire defensive coordinator Rob Ryan. It's time for senior defensive assistant Dennis Allen to take over for the final six games this season.

The Saints made Kirk Cousins look like Tom Brady on his best day as Washington utterly whipped New Orleans, 47-14, at FedEx Field in one of the most embarrassing losses in the Payton era. The Saints displayed one of the worst defensive performances I've ever witnessed in Payton's 10 seasons.

It was worse than any game I can recall -- even taking into account former coordinator Steve Spagnuolo's lone historically bad season in 2012.

Cousins went 20-of-25 passing for 324 yards with four touchdowns and no interceptions for a perfect 158.3 passer rating. The Saints entered the game yielding a 112.0 rating to opposing QBs for the season. Brady led the league entering this week with 113.5. 

The Saints are allowing opposing quarterbacks to play better than the former two-time league MVP and four-time Super Bowl champion every week. How's that for perspective?

The Saints' tackling Sunday was horrendous. The players looked lost even covering rudimentary screen passes. New Orleans had no plan for stopping tight ends in pass coverage -- as usual. Washington's ground game pounded the Saints for 213 yards on 31 carries. The Saints sacked Cousins three times, but nothing truly affected him.

Washington piled up nearly 400 yards of offense in the first half. The last time the Redskins produced this kind of output in one half was when Doug Williams and Timmy Smith torched Denver in record-setting fashion in Super Bowl 22.

In fact, Williams, now a Redskins front-office executive, took a stroll into the Saints' locker room after the game. No joke. Maybe the 60-year-old former quarterback wanted a shot at his native state's NFL franchise. I'm only half kidding.

"Listen, it's (the defense) is obviously a concern," Payton said of a unit ranked near the bottom of every major statistical category this season. "It's hard to win."

Defensive end Cam Jordan didn't speak to the media afterward. His body language said everything, though. Jordan sat at his locker, staring down at his fingers, seemingly searching for answers. Then he slammed his equipment bag on the floor.

I have no idea if Allen can make the Saints' poor excuse for a defense any better this season. But having the Saints continuously riddled by mediocre offenses and mediocre quarterbacks every week isn't the answer. That's all we've seen from Ryan's charges this season.

 

It's evident Ryan is coaching his last season as Saints defensive coordinator. The Saints need some sort of change, a spark -- anything. If they remain status quo, the Saints might as well pack it in this season.

Let's talk truth. There's no chance this defense will get any worse by replacing Ryan with Allen right now. How can it?

Payton avoided the topic of making coaching or personnel changes after the loss to the Redskins. That was to be expected.

"Again, we're sitting here after a game ... and we're not going to discuss any of those types of changes, certainly not right now," Payton said.

But I have to imagine pondering such a move is at the forefront of Payton's mind heading into the bye week with his team 4-6 and the defense badly regressing week by week.

Payton already wrestled with retaining Ryan after the 2014 season when the defense dipped from fourth overall in 2013 to 31st in the league last season. Payton decided in early January that Ryan could be part of the solution. But the caveat was bringing in Allen, who served on Payton's original staff and helped win Super Bowl 44 before moving on to become Denver's defensive coordinator then Raiders head coach before being fired by Oakland. Payton brought Allen back into the fold to "change in dynamic." Allen officially was given the title of senior defensive assistant. Unofficially, it was to serve as Ryan's shadow. 

The Saints embedded their potential Ryan replacement long before this season began. 

Ryan is not solely at fault for the defense's underwhelming performances the past couple of years. We can go through the litany of the scouting department's poor talent evaluations on that side of the ball for days and days. That's also a major reason the Saints' defense seemingly is in rebuilding mode annually.

No, Ryan's not solely to blame. But he's in charge of Sundays, the most glaring times when this defense displays its ineptitude.

The Saints can't fix the personnel problems right now. That can't occur until the offseason. They're stuck with the pieces in place and will have to ride with them the rest of the season. And even a substantial offseason overhaul is not a given considering the team's cash-strapped situation.  

Do the players anticipate any changes in coaching during the bye week?

"I don't know necessarily what's going to happen," safety Kenny Vaccaro said. "But we've got to get better and we've got to win these games. We can't allow this to keep happening. ...

"I just want to win. Whatever Coach Payton and (GM Mickey Loomis) decide to do. I just want to be in a position to win and have fun."

Veteran offensive tackle Zach Strief added: "No. I wouldn't. Look, good organizations don't make knee-jerk reactions to things. I don't see that. But if it does, then it does. That's OK, too. When you're 4-6, you open yourselves up for that.

"Blame gets spread everywhere equally. But if that's what happens, that's what happens. That's not something I think the players in this locker room need to sit around and think and worry about. That's not our decision."

Ryan's departure wouldn't be a knee-jerk reaction, though. The proof is in the past two seasons. The most recent proof is in the past few games as the Saints surrendered 49 points to the Giants, 34 to Titans rookie QB Marcus Mariota and most recently 47 to a Redskins offense that had been pedestrian at best.

Firing Ryan wouldn't paint Payton in the best light, either. This would be the fourth defensive coordinator either fired or to not have a contract renewed in Payton's tenure. This is on Payton, too, but some alteration needs to occur in the bye week.

The Saints showed no fear in adding Allen this offseason as well as making significant adjustments to both sides of the roster.

Ryan exited the locker room rather quickly after Sunday's loss. Allen remained much longer, sitting in a folding chair in the corner of the defensive players locker room. Allen wore a look of bewilderment as he flipped through the pages of the final stat sheet. The numbers obviously weren't pretty.

I doubt Allen sat there pondering how in the world was he going to breathe new life into the defense if handed the job this week.

But if the Saints are still playing to salvage a season that's increasingly looking like a lost cause because of the underperforming defense, Ryan has to go. 

And he has to go now.

 

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Browner doensn't get a penalty yet does this nonsense...

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2015/11/did_brandon_browner_avoid_a_ta.html

I referred to this play in chat stating that we tackle blockers instead of the ball carrier.  Rodney Harrison's quote is perfect though, "I don't understand. I'm watching and I'm like, go make the tackle. He comes back and he peels back and hits a lineman. This is why this is the worst defense in the league. That's just a selfish play."

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I felt Browner needed to go after the locker room tirade. He's a bad influence on our younger DBs. He's been penalized routinely, and he's got rings. That will go a long way with guys like Breaux who don't know any better. Not attempting a tackle and going for the lineman? I wonder if he did it because he didn't think he was quick enough to make the tackle.

A leader tries. He doesn't just hit a lineman for no benefit. Just.. 

By the way, Dennis Allen isn't coaching the secondary. His official title is DC-In-Waiting errr Defensive Assistant. ;)

Explain to me why Ingram with the game and rhythm he had after that hell of a long run -- the best of his career only carried the ball 3 more times. And they ran CJ Spiller up the gut on 4th and 1.

It's not just the defense. This team is in shambles. So many good coaches gone and NOT replaced -- Curtis Johnson (Tulane very well may fire him, imo), Joe Lombardi, Aaron Kromer, Adam Zimmer (coaching LBs for the Vikings under his father), Ryan Pace was an executive, but he's also the youngest GM in the NFL at 37 with the Bears.. among others. Brett Ingalls was the RB coach for us during the Super Bowl year, but he's done a terrible job with the OL..

We haven't really replaced guys like that with quality. Vitt is fine as assistant head coach, but I'd like to see a new LB coach ply his trade here. Not only that, but Bill Johnson still having a job if baffling along with Rob Ryan and Wesley McGriff. 

We need one voice on defense that the players look to, listen to, and are held accountable to.. Allen and Ryan was a foolish decision. Who do you listen to?

NFL History was made today, at least. The Saints are the first defense ever to surrender 4 touchdown passes in three straight games without registering an interception. 130 points surrendered in those 3 games.. 

Frustration.

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ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME!!!?

 

 

Just read some tweets that it is not ruled out yet though. Here is to hoping we can turn something around on defense and offense. That was a pathetic game. 

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