Uptownsaint

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  1. Let's put aside politics for a minute and try to make this purely sports. Baseball and Basketball are back, Football training camps have started. Sports are allowing players to opt out and a handful of impact players have already opted out. College Football will probably just play Conference games, Baseball is 60 game season, Basketball shorten season, and Pro Football is yet to be determined. The ******'s on these seasons will be many. How does College Football pick the best 4 and will you view it as legit? Baseball 60 games ... no grind it out ... do you really feel the best teams will be in the playoffs? Basketball actually might not matter, the season had already started and good teams had separated themselves, plus everyone makes the playoffs. What if Football has to reduce down to a 13 game season? If the Saints win, I'm going to count it as just as important, but is it really a legit win? Will you look at the stats differently? I guess it'll all depend on the product on the field. But if Team A has all their starters and Team B is missing 5 impact players due to Covid, I'm not going to be happy with Team A's win. I think it will lessen it. And if that happens in the playoffs ... are they just trying to come up with a new way to screw the Saints. Vikes are at full schedule and Saints can't fill a full team because of Covid, Vikes win NFC Championship Game by default, then get blown out in SB. I could easily see this season being more harm than reward. I haven't watched Baseball or Basketball and I honestly don't care if all Pro Sports are cancelled this year. I would like to see college football, if it's done safely. But if all sports are cancelled this year, I'm really don't think I'll miss it.
  2. I'm glad you got us back on topic. You certainly bring up a good point. As a team reward, I think you're right. If the season is played in full, then I think the most discipline and mental tough team will win. (kind of makes me think Bilicheck's micro-management of every aspect and strictness might be a plus) Plus no home crowd to get you going, every game you'll have to get yourself up and stay up. But what about individual stats - I know football stats aren't as important as baseball stats, but say the sack record is set this year. People were upset because they thought Farve 'took a dive'.
  3. Maybe the Oilfield is different than other industries .. maybe not. Shell Oil tells their employees to self isolate and not put yourself at risk a week before your hitch starts. But contract employees (most oilfield workers are contract) don't have any protection. LA is right to work, all they have to do is say that 'position' isn't needed, you stay home, then it's up to your contract company. Now they only pay you when you work, so if there isn't a place to go, you don't get paid. I'm sure Shell wouldn't fire anyone with COVID on the spot, but you'll just be let go a few months down the road because they don't need you. I'm sure you're right that most States have a law to protect someone that has COVID at that moment. Most companies wouldn't fire a good employee that got COVID by 'accident', but if it comes out (posts on FB) that you put yourself (and then thereby co-workers on the platform) at risk because you're out partying, you're not going to keep your job very long. And that's no different than rules the PRO's have put in place. Players can be fined for going to places with groups of 15+, strip clubs, etc.
  4. As bad as I feel when a nurse, oilfield worker, welder, waiter, etc catches COVID and dies. This is only a sport to the fans, to those involved it's their job. It's how they put food on the table. Brees doesn't need to play and wouldn't be upset if he didn't. But to the first, 2nd, 3rd year players ... this is their life. To the player looking at one more payday before retirement, this is their job. For most people, unemployment is not an attractive option. People want and need to work. Players only get paid if they play. Sure new agreement this year is that they will get $100k if they opt out. But some couldn't pay their bills with $100k. As an oilfield worker, we're told to stay in semi isolation on our days off or risk our job. I have Navy friends that have been confined to base. Many jobs, you have to self isolate if you want to keep your job. Now I understand college kids are 'bulletproof' and some don't have the maturity to understand. But as Pro, you either want your job or not. The only difference between them and the welder at the Plant is how much they make. The welder can't go to strip clubs and large house parties on his days off, why can't the pro football player follow the same rule.
  5. I like it. I thought this had been in the works anyway, I'm glad something positive has come out of this. I did see a report on ESPN that the NFLPA doesn't want any preseason games. I'm also very ok with that too. I rather 18 real games and no preseason games.
  6. so Faceman & Saint ATN say it's a 'mutating beast' and then fjw70 shares an article that says it isn't. Which shows that even the experts really don't know. Which is why I said "What if by the end of the summer..." Except for fans making travel arrangements, what is the rush to cancel games now? If the fall back is no fans in the stadium, then why cancel? Until real practices have to be postponed, then anything can still happen. The HoF game is a waste of game and I fill they had been looking for any excuse to get out of that game anyway. I'm on record, I hope they all get cancelled, sports need a reset. That said, I don't like the knee jerk reactions. I don't like the media over-hype and we're not one size fits all. My fiancee' is an RN (we're in NWFL), dealing with some of her COVID patients is harder, but she takes it in stride. (it was never an easy job, but most jobs aren't) the NBA playing in Disney? Baseball playing 60 games? NCAA just playing conference games? These are businesses working very hard to remain a business. This not a backyard game, these are businesses. These are jobs. This is the only way some people have to put food on the table. I don't want anyone taking our jobs away. I don't blame them for fighting to keep their jobs. (I also don't blame the ones that have made millions not wanting to play and they shouldn't)
  7. Everyone wants to talk about new cases, but no one brings up that for the very very mass majority two weeks later they're 100% fine. Report out says LSU might have about 30 players that have it. (all doing fine from what reports say) What if by the end of the summer they have 70 players that have had it and now very unlikely to get it again. (some people say catching it isn't 100% immunity, but others say it more likely than not) Now you're down to 20-30 players that haven't had it. Allow high risk players to sit out the season. What about fans that have had it? Why can't they go to the games? All the people that have had it and had little to no problems, why shouldn't they move back to normal?
  8. You can't change a valve without being face to face and plenty of huffing and puffing in this heat. Construction crews are working hand and hand. Plenty of normal people are working, in worse conditions, with way worse insurance. "..COVID is potentially career-ending.." I bet the % would be way less that 1%. I'm all for them not playing any sports this year. I think players are way over paid, I think the sport cost way to much for fans. I think a lost season might be a good way of reversing the cost to watch games, the player salaries, etc. I think many fans will leave the sport too, which would hurt/change TV contracts. And if I were a multi millionaire, I would sit out this season. But many current players and college seniors can't afford a lost season, many lives will be changed for the worse. (many many more than would be hurt by COVID)
  9. same for me. Maybe Google blocked it
  10. Oil and Gas workers go to work every day. Construction teams are working manual labor right next to other co-workers. People are in stores and going about their everyday life. Why? Because most people have to work to make money, to support their family. Most NFL players are no different, most can't afford to sit out (and not get paid) for a year. (not to mention all the supporting jobs) If the NFL season is lost, many lives will be dramatically changed for the worse. those players that rank from 35-60+ (including practice squad), many will not get their jobs back in 2021. (older players hoping for one last payday or young player just needing a chance) NFL players should be giving the same opportunity as our construction workers. They can go to work, but will not be punished if they stay home for safety. If they get sick, then the NFL should pay 100% of their medical bills (something that would not happen to a construction worker). Teams should put in plenty of safety measures and if that means more players go on IR (and get paid) and thereby allowing many new players to get a chance, so be it. Some players and coaches have already had it and fully recovered, some never had any issues with it. I look at the NFL as a business, yes it's a game, but it's a business that supports a lot of families. Plenty of people are working in far worse conditions and more risk. Football is a game, the NFL is job that many people need
  11. Right now I care very little about sports. I think many people feel the same way. I think that Basket Ball and Baseball are losing fans that will never come back. NASCAR and Gulf had decent viewership to there events, but watching at home isn't the same as spending money on them. Football is a long way off, we could be dealing with totally different events by the end of the summer. I think all sports will lose a good bit of their paying fanbase. I wonder how quickly that will be felt in new TV / stadium deals? How long before the salary caps start going back the other way and players start crying about not making enough money. (which I feel will drive the every day fan away even more)
  12. While I do think it's funny and smart to catch a little news buzz, this doesn't seem like a serious offer. Mercedes-Benz had a 10 year deal reported to be between $40-$50 million, so $15 million (unless it's very short-term) doesn't seem to be in the right ballpark. With a Super Bowl just a few years away, new renovations going on, College Basketball Final Four coming up and Sugar Bowl and College Football Playoffs ... Don't see the Saints taking less money.
  13. Looks like the pre-draft run on QB's is about over and I think Hill is safe. Doesn't look like we'll get a 1st rounder for him, but if someone misses out in the draft who knows. But let's assume we have him at the $5 million a year salary. (I think that's what the tender equaled) The last few years we've had Bridgewater, so we enjoyed having a Vet back-up while mentoring Hill. So who plays that role this year? Do we roll with Hill as our #2 back-up or call in a Vet? Let's just assume they bring in a Vet .. who do you want and why? Dalton, Cam, Winston or throw out another name .... While I think Dalton is the safe bet and could guide this team into the playoff's. I just don't think we go far in the playoffs. I would go with Winston. He's has more talent and I think more upside. What if his injuries and his vision, both of which were corrected, where big parts of his problem. What if he only threw 18 INT's, instead of 30. If Brees gets hurt, we're most likely done for the year anyway, I rather go big or go home. (I'm also ok with saying that about Hill too, if called on he either goes off or we start a rebuilding/reload year) I think I would rather that then a 9 - 7 year with an exit in the wildcard round.
  14. Not many college players are focused like Joe Burrow and not all of them are as unfocused as Winston, but that was 4 years ago and he has grown up. He has a ton of talent and he his loved and respected by his team. He also turned down more money to sign with the Saints and learn from Payton/Brees. That is a sign of maturity and a sign that he wants to get better and be a starter again. If Brees is hurt for 5 games this year and Hill isn't the answer, then I think Winston gives us a good chance to go 4-1. (I also think Dalton would have been a safe bet, but he would only be a one year fix. Winston upside is long-term starter)
  15. I'm glad they got Winston. This is still a SB team and a SB year. You have to go all in. I'm glad that Hill will be the number 2, but he plays violently and he doesn't make it, we need a good option. Plus in two years ... who knows Winston might grow more and be our best option
  16. This is typical Saints move. They always try to fill their needs in FA, so that they are free to draft best available player. I think it's a good move. I wouldn't mind the Saints trading back to the 2nd round this year if they can get an additional 1st rounder next year. (maybe a QB, that the Saints don't like will slide) Saints have 1 or 2 years with Brees and then it's time to pay the piper. They will either have to have a fire sale and rebuild or be able to put a lot of 'cheaper' draft talent on the field. Saints have proven they can draft now, so I would not be upset with the "build up draft capital for 2021/2022 so it's not a rebuild, but just a reload" strategy.
  17. IMO TB & Car both upgraded their QB position. I think CAR downgraded their HC & coaching staff, so not expecting much from CAR. TB lost most of their games by a TD or less, so I think TB will be a playoff team this year. TB already signed one FA Lineman and if they use their 1st round pick on another lineman, they can change their O-line real quick. I still think the Saints are the best team in the division and will win the division. I also think we have the best QB and HC.
  18. Maybe all the new owners told their lawyers to start backing off and working to solve the CTE problem. The only facts we know is that there were/are CTE lawsuits AND there has been a large influx of new owners since 2004. yes the lawsuit is new, but these 'new owners' were not owners then and were not part of the problem, but they sure seem to be part of the solution. I don't know GB, so no idea how 'connected' she is, but I'm certainly not going to discount her. Yes, this CBA does save a lot of wear and tear and it limits the practices against other teams. Two preseason games is way more than the 60 mins during the game, but we're talking about all NFL players and not just 22 starters. (and yes, some of the starters do/would play in those games .. i.e. rookies, new to the team, new starters, -- Just because some of the Vets don't start PR1, doesn't mean important players don't play) BTW, I'm not for the owners. I'm just saying they don't deserve blanket statements and majority of today's owners probably have a totally different view than the owners from the 70's, 80's and 90's. Those owners were millionaires and I assume the yearly profits mattered. Today's owners are billionaires and the yearly income does not matter nearly as much as the long-term value of their franchise.
  19. oh and your CTE argument. It's not as simple as saying it exists. Take our owner, what would you like her to do? Remember, she employees 100's of people and her product brings in money for 1000's more. She's a smart women, I'm sure she can look at the facts and say "yeap, I'm sure bouncing your skull around with subpar safety equipment was a bad idea". But it wasn't her idea, no one was forced to do it and at the time many/most people didn't know any better. Should she be subject to billions of dollars in fines/lawsuits that could destroy her product? When 1000's of families are unemployed because of actions before many were born, are you going to comfort them? This new CBA does give more money to former players. Is it enough? Is there enough medical coverage? I don't know. I do know that lawsuits have prevent good people from doing the right thing, because the lawyers want more than just the right thing. I care about the former players, I want them to have the medical coverage they need. If it were as simple as that, I think most owners would jump at the chance to help the players.
  20. It's 'tiresome' because most of those 'old owners' are gone. I'll use 2004 as jump off point, that's the year Arthur Banks took ownership of Atl. Since then there have been 23 new owners, our current owner being one of them. 16 new owners since 2010. I think most, if not all, of these new owners have a completely different outlook on the team, league, and players. Hence all the new changes designed to keep players healthy: advanced helmet designs, more protection for players during the game, fewer full contact practices, no more 2-a-days, etc etc Greedy NFL Owner is a great catch phrase and easy to lump all wealthy owners together, but it doesn't hold an truth. I think you only have to look at our owner and you'll see an owner that cares about the players. As for the more games. .. they're taking away 2 preseason games and adding 1 reg season game. (maybe 1 more play-off team which would make 4 teams play another extra game) That's actually less games, less chances of injury. Not to mention that seemingly everyone has complained about the useless preseason games. If the owners take away 2 games and add none, then the next TV contract will be less because fewer games. That means the split for the players will be less. I'm willing to bet that the players aren't going to give up any money, so it's pretty unfair to call out the owners for being greedy and not the players.
  21. didn't they add 2 more players on game day, 2 more players over all and more players to the practice squad? maybe they give a little poo .... IMO the mindset that the owners don't care about players is tiresome. Sure there are still some old school owners, but many do care and many realize their product depends on star players.
  22. I think Brees understands the Cap situation as well as anyone. I'm sure They've all had plenty of conversations and Loomis will have a plan to push the piper back one more year and still upgrade the WR corp. I think the real interesting contract will be Hill's. I think they will give him some long-term security and and also get him at a big discount compared to an established franchise QB. Hopefully that difference will be enough to offset Brees' huge cap hit once he retires. This could work out where the Saints can reload vs rebuild and have a pretty seamless transition between starting QB's. (seamless financially, not talent)
  23. It's not about his attitude, it's about his drive. He just completed his 3rd year in the league. He's done everything the team has asked of him and more because he's an old school team football player. But he wants to be a starting QB and believes in himself. From what Coaches and Players say, he's been on a pretty good growth curve and seems to be on the path of what you would expect from a talented player that had some injuries in college. BTW .. he hasn't demanded anything, he just believes in himself and wants a chance to prove he can do it. Saints are likely putting a first round tender on an undrafted player ... that speaks for itself. Unlike any of us, they see him in practice and in the film room every day. To me, that's exactly the 'attitude' you want out of any QB.
  24. I want a QB that's confident not one that says "I'll just see what comes to me". Come on man. He's always said he wants to be a starting QB, that's a life goal, he should chase it with all his might. I like what he said. He also said he rather be here with Brees in the right situation. Brees also said that he's all in on training him next year and if that meant Hill gets 20-30 snaps a game that would be great. You think Brees is saying that if he doesn't think Hill was good enough? Maybe he has 13 passes because Coach didn't want him showing off his arm. The avg NFL fan didn't even learn his name until last year. They know nothing about him being groomed over the last couple of years. They (and we) know very little about his practice throws or his film study. Either the Saints Coaching staff, along with Brees and some ex coaches, are playing the biggest con game to inflate Hill's abilities to trick someone into giving up a 1st round pick, that they could then some how parlay into drafting the QB they really want. (that would be a huge con game) Or ... Yeah, the Saints also think he could grow into a franchise QB.
  25. I will always hate the 49'ers. I Honey Badger to get a ring, so go Chiefs ... I feel like it could be a really good game, and without the Saints in it, that's all I really hope for (oh and the 9'ers losing. I always hope for them to lose and in the most heartbreaking fashion)