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  1. While I do think it's funny and smart to catch a little news buzz, this doesn't seem like a serious offer. Mercedes-Benz had a 10 year deal reported to be between $40-$50 million, so $15 million (unless it's very short-term) doesn't seem to be in the right ballpark. With a Super Bowl just a few years away, new renovations going on, College Basketball Final Four coming up and Sugar Bowl and College Football Playoffs ... Don't see the Saints taking less money.
  2. Not many college players are focused like Joe Burrow and not all of them are as unfocused as Winston, but that was 4 years ago and he has grown up. He has a ton of talent and he his loved and respected by his team. He also turned down more money to sign with the Saints and learn from Payton/Brees. That is a sign of maturity and a sign that he wants to get better and be a starter again. If Brees is hurt for 5 games this year and Hill isn't the answer, then I think Winston gives us a good chance to go 4-1. (I also think Dalton would have been a safe bet, but he would only be a one year fix. Winston upside is long-term starter)
  3. I'm glad they got Winston. This is still a SB team and a SB year. You have to go all in. I'm glad that Hill will be the number 2, but he plays violently and he doesn't make it, we need a good option. Plus in two years ... who knows Winston might grow more and be our best option
  4. Looks like the pre-draft run on QB's is about over and I think Hill is safe. Doesn't look like we'll get a 1st rounder for him, but if someone misses out in the draft who knows. But let's assume we have him at the $5 million a year salary. (I think that's what the tender equaled) The last few years we've had Bridgewater, so we enjoyed having a Vet back-up while mentoring Hill. So who plays that role this year? Do we roll with Hill as our #2 back-up or call in a Vet? Let's just assume they bring in a Vet .. who do you want and why? Dalton, Cam, Winston or throw out another name .... While I think Dalton is the safe bet and could guide this team into the playoff's. I just don't think we go far in the playoffs. I would go with Winston. He's has more talent and I think more upside. What if his injuries and his vision, both of which were corrected, where big parts of his problem. What if he only threw 18 INT's, instead of 30. If Brees gets hurt, we're most likely done for the year anyway, I rather go big or go home. (I'm also ok with saying that about Hill too, if called on he either goes off or we start a rebuilding/reload year) I think I would rather that then a 9 - 7 year with an exit in the wildcard round.
  5. This is typical Saints move. They always try to fill their needs in FA, so that they are free to draft best available player. I think it's a good move. I wouldn't mind the Saints trading back to the 2nd round this year if they can get an additional 1st rounder next year. (maybe a QB, that the Saints don't like will slide) Saints have 1 or 2 years with Brees and then it's time to pay the piper. They will either have to have a fire sale and rebuild or be able to put a lot of 'cheaper' draft talent on the field. Saints have proven they can draft now, so I would not be upset with the "build up draft capital for 2021/2022 so it's not a rebuild, but just a reload" strategy.
  6. IMO TB & Car both upgraded their QB position. I think CAR downgraded their HC & coaching staff, so not expecting much from CAR. TB lost most of their games by a TD or less, so I think TB will be a playoff team this year. TB already signed one FA Lineman and if they use their 1st round pick on another lineman, they can change their O-line real quick. I still think the Saints are the best team in the division and will win the division. I also think we have the best QB and HC.
  7. Maybe all the new owners told their lawyers to start backing off and working to solve the CTE problem. The only facts we know is that there were/are CTE lawsuits AND there has been a large influx of new owners since 2004. yes the lawsuit is new, but these 'new owners' were not owners then and were not part of the problem, but they sure seem to be part of the solution. I don't know GB, so no idea how 'connected' she is, but I'm certainly not going to discount her. Yes, this CBA does save a lot of wear and tear and it limits the practices against other teams. Two preseason games is way more than the 60 mins during the game, but we're talking about all NFL players and not just 22 starters. (and yes, some of the starters do/would play in those games .. i.e. rookies, new to the team, new starters, -- Just because some of the Vets don't start PR1, doesn't mean important players don't play) BTW, I'm not for the owners. I'm just saying they don't deserve blanket statements and majority of today's owners probably have a totally different view than the owners from the 70's, 80's and 90's. Those owners were millionaires and I assume the yearly profits mattered. Today's owners are billionaires and the yearly income does not matter nearly as much as the long-term value of their franchise.
  8. oh and your CTE argument. It's not as simple as saying it exists. Take our owner, what would you like her to do? Remember, she employees 100's of people and her product brings in money for 1000's more. She's a smart women, I'm sure she can look at the facts and say "yeap, I'm sure bouncing your skull around with subpar safety equipment was a bad idea". But it wasn't her idea, no one was forced to do it and at the time many/most people didn't know any better. Should she be subject to billions of dollars in fines/lawsuits that could destroy her product? When 1000's of families are unemployed because of actions before many were born, are you going to comfort them? This new CBA does give more money to former players. Is it enough? Is there enough medical coverage? I don't know. I do know that lawsuits have prevent good people from doing the right thing, because the lawyers want more than just the right thing. I care about the former players, I want them to have the medical coverage they need. If it were as simple as that, I think most owners would jump at the chance to help the players.
  9. It's 'tiresome' because most of those 'old owners' are gone. I'll use 2004 as jump off point, that's the year Arthur Banks took ownership of Atl. Since then there have been 23 new owners, our current owner being one of them. 16 new owners since 2010. I think most, if not all, of these new owners have a completely different outlook on the team, league, and players. Hence all the new changes designed to keep players healthy: advanced helmet designs, more protection for players during the game, fewer full contact practices, no more 2-a-days, etc etc Greedy NFL Owner is a great catch phrase and easy to lump all wealthy owners together, but it doesn't hold an truth. I think you only have to look at our owner and you'll see an owner that cares about the players. As for the more games. .. they're taking away 2 preseason games and adding 1 reg season game. (maybe 1 more play-off team which would make 4 teams play another extra game) That's actually less games, less chances of injury. Not to mention that seemingly everyone has complained about the useless preseason games. If the owners take away 2 games and add none, then the next TV contract will be less because fewer games. That means the split for the players will be less. I'm willing to bet that the players aren't going to give up any money, so it's pretty unfair to call out the owners for being greedy and not the players.
  10. didn't they add 2 more players on game day, 2 more players over all and more players to the practice squad? maybe they give a little poo .... IMO the mindset that the owners don't care about players is tiresome. Sure there are still some old school owners, but many do care and many realize their product depends on star players.
  11. I think Brees understands the Cap situation as well as anyone. I'm sure They've all had plenty of conversations and Loomis will have a plan to push the piper back one more year and still upgrade the WR corp. I think the real interesting contract will be Hill's. I think they will give him some long-term security and and also get him at a big discount compared to an established franchise QB. Hopefully that difference will be enough to offset Brees' huge cap hit once he retires. This could work out where the Saints can reload vs rebuild and have a pretty seamless transition between starting QB's. (seamless financially, not talent)
  12. It's not about his attitude, it's about his drive. He just completed his 3rd year in the league. He's done everything the team has asked of him and more because he's an old school team football player. But he wants to be a starting QB and believes in himself. From what Coaches and Players say, he's been on a pretty good growth curve and seems to be on the path of what you would expect from a talented player that had some injuries in college. BTW .. he hasn't demanded anything, he just believes in himself and wants a chance to prove he can do it. Saints are likely putting a first round tender on an undrafted player ... that speaks for itself. Unlike any of us, they see him in practice and in the film room every day. To me, that's exactly the 'attitude' you want out of any QB.
  13. I want a QB that's confident not one that says "I'll just see what comes to me". Come on man. He's always said he wants to be a starting QB, that's a life goal, he should chase it with all his might. I like what he said. He also said he rather be here with Brees in the right situation. Brees also said that he's all in on training him next year and if that meant Hill gets 20-30 snaps a game that would be great. You think Brees is saying that if he doesn't think Hill was good enough? Maybe he has 13 passes because Coach didn't want him showing off his arm. The avg NFL fan didn't even learn his name until last year. They know nothing about him being groomed over the last couple of years. They (and we) know very little about his practice throws or his film study. Either the Saints Coaching staff, along with Brees and some ex coaches, are playing the biggest con game to inflate Hill's abilities to trick someone into giving up a 1st round pick, that they could then some how parlay into drafting the QB they really want. (that would be a huge con game) Or ... Yeah, the Saints also think he could grow into a franchise QB.
  14. I will always hate the 49'ers. I Honey Badger to get a ring, so go Chiefs ... I feel like it could be a really good game, and without the Saints in it, that's all I really hope for (oh and the 9'ers losing. I always hope for them to lose and in the most heartbreaking fashion)
  15. ESPN article had this to say about Brees. If this is indeed the case, then I would hope Brees comes back for one more year. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28600624/overheard-super-bowl-week-buzz-saints-qbs-cam-more "... Sometime in February is when we will get clarity on Brees, but after talking with several people about this, the two most plausible outcomes are this: Retirement. Yes, the rumblings are fairly strong. Signing a one-year deal with the Saints while helping friend Taysom Hill become the guy in 2021. The second option is significant, because sources stress that Brees and Hill are indeed close but that Hill -- a versatile weapon and a restricted free agent -- might not be ready to handle the full responsibilities of NFL quarterbacking just yet. One more crack at a championship while continuing to develop Hill would satisfy the locker room and an aging but talented defense that is poised for another run at San Francisco. One expected outcome if Brees returns is that Hill would get a first-round tender -- a way for the Saints to dissuade teams from submitting an offer sheet -- and Teddy Bridgewater would become a potential starter elsewhere. We're told that retirement is a definite option for Brees, that it isn't an empty threat to try to leverage the Saints into a contract. But we're also told, in no uncertain terms, that if Bress does play again, it would only be for New Orleans."